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Zan Shiro
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Posted - 2014.12.03 22:59:11 -
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tbh I wished ccp gave the option to SP reimburse on this change. I know where you are coming from as I 5'd this skill for ME tweaking. Stuff coming off the line say 2 hours faster does me little to no good when that 2 hours hits when I am sleeping or at work.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.12.04 03:46:41 -
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Komi Toran wrote:First: So what? It's compulsory to train Minmatar Cruiser to V to participate in flying Scimitars. Let's get rid of that.
This was the issue I had with ccp's line of reasoning here. If this the new thing at ccp....why are so many 5's out there for dedicated roles still around?
Astrometrics 5 to run covert portal on blops (among other 5's) 5's for a few areas of using caps 5's for t2 use
Lack of consistency here is what had me go a bit tinfoil and say sell that crap to the tourists....what's the real reason. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.12.05 01:39:24 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Training this Production Efficiency skill to V was never a requirement to be profitable, that is something CCP made up in order to justify their decision. There are many T1 items, T1 frigates for instance, which even with PE IV or III still gave the producer a very nice profit. Not as much as with the Skill at V, but that is to be expected if you don't put some effort and training into the activity. Calling that compulsory, however, is exaggeration.
This. The secret in the secret sauce was a good me bpo/bpc. The t1 items smaller crap...lets be honest...you make this to make t2. Going into t2 production and didn't have these lined up...that's on them really too. In the old scheme Mnay t2 ships also money makers....if the source bp was all good. Uber production skills crap bpo/bpc me you were still losing out to average production skills and great bpo/bpc me. That many failed to grasp this and caused a bad game change is sad imo.
Now I do recall ccp's other reason given in the long blog for these changes long ago was it simplified math. Apparently ME was making people think about numbers. Those to lazy (or stupid) to find the many online bpo calcs that did the ME calcs for you and all you had to do was work out if the trimming off a few trit here, a few pye here was cost effective needed less "work" it seems.
Some line of crap about indy should be getting stuff to market and not deal with all the fiddly bits about getting to market with a better bottom line from the manufacturing process aspect.
Which is utter bs imo. If the devs thought this was sound....man I hope this mindset didn't spread to the business side of the house at ccp. Trimming costs internally especially in the manufacturing process is basic business 101. Making and selling 1,000,000 pens a year, improve the process to shave off even 10 cents per unit....looking at a decent profit off that. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.12.06 03:39:29 -
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Kei Thoras wrote:[quote=Frostys Virpio] The barrier for newbies to start directly in the Industry is still there, ME skill available or not, in the form of the cost to acquire BPO. Acquiring BPOs is very costly, and is not advised for new players. It's always advised to have another activity in parallel when you start to play as an industrial. Even now, without ME skill around, you can't seriously expect a newbie to make profit from the start while starting in the industry field. Unless the BPOs become a lot cheaper in the future (and I don't see that happening any time soon), starting to make profit in Industry will be always a long term goal.
This....
TBH with my combat char dying a lot in 0.0 when I fired up indy as side line (this alt in fact) my lag time was getting the isk to buy decent bp's. My limiting factor wasn't the ME skill some hated. That in fact trained quite easily while I tried to have this alt make isk running distribution missions when the combat main was struggling to keep up pvp fleets in bad months withnhis ratting isk and couldn't wire this alt some isk.
I tbh etc'd to plexed this process a few times to start. I could justify this as I have the means in real life and unlike a say ratting ship (imo using rl money for stuff that can blow up is just bad...) ...my bpo once bought was safe and sound in a station for life. As it would never be lost (barring me deleting on accident or lost in gank if moved but rarely did that after the initial jita buy).
So noobs option is plan b.....they buy copies. They are already in the hole there. Noob A and me in a statistical anomaly sell the same item at the same time. Noob A made said item off my copies (which I mark up a bit). My bottom line is much better for profit.
Many of my bp's I have owned for 3 years at least, they are paid off. Noob A....is covering my markup costs in his bp buy. I can isk war him. No skin off my nose really. I got that money from him anyway at the bpc sale lol.
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